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    Besides maniacal College Students shooting up Campus areas, another crime on the rise is Stalking...

    I know several Female Co-Workers, classmates, and even fellow tenants who had to deal with some character who constantly kept calling them up, sending weird gifts to their workplace or home, and even followed them home even with their kids in the car....

    I'm sure our own Cherie and her fellow Celebs have had to put up with obsessed people and sic the Law on them... [img]mad.gif[/img]

    Stalking is not just some lovelorn guy or gal chasing after the unrequited object of their affections, they can be seriously disturbed persons who can cause harm even death upon their targets....

    The following FYI should be of use.... Wink

    What to Do
    If You Become a Stalking Victim

    Introduction
    If you become a victim of a stalker you must, above all, educate yourself. There are several national organizations that provide information on stalking. These are listed on our resources page. Keep tuned in to our upcoming educational events page, as well, for continually updated information.

    Security Precautions for Stalking Victims
    Stalking victims don?t like to be called victims.

    They will say, "I won?t let myself be victimized," or "I?m not going to change my life because I?m being stalked." Sorry. Your life has changed. Forever. And unless you accept that, you will actually be helping the stalker. You are a crime victim. The crime happens to be stalking. You must understand that the phrase "stalking victim" says volumes about the perpetrator, but nothing about you.

    It does not tell us whether you stay at home in terror with sheets over the windows, or whether you?ve decided to move, or to become active to change the laws in your state. On the other hand, accepting that you are a stalking victim serves to remind you that you must, from now on, take extra precautions that others do not have to take.

    Here are some basics to start with. These and other safety precautions can be found in I Know You Really Love Me:

    Tell the stalker "no" once and only once, and then never give him the satisfaction of a reaction again. The more you respond, the more you teach him that his actions will elicit a response. This only serves to reinforce the stalking.

    Get a dog. The Los Angeles Police Department?s Threat Management Unit says this is "one of the least expensive but most effective alarm systems."

    Block your address at DMV and Voter Registration. If you don?t, anyone can get it for the asking. This is how Robert Bardo found actress Rebecca Schaeffer and was able to murder her at her front door.
    Never give out your home address or telephone number. Get a post office box and use it on all correspondence. For those places that will not accept a post office box, change "PO Box" to "Apt." and leave the number. Put this address on your checks.

    When the stalker gets your home telephone number, don?t change it. Instead, always let an answering machine pick-up. Get a new, unlisted number, and give it to everyone who calls but the stalker. Gradually, only your stalker will be using your old number ? it will become his private line. If it upsets you when he calls, put the machine in a room you don?t use.

    You can even have someone else monitor the tapes. This way, the stalker will think he is still getting through to you, although you will never make the mistake of picking up when he calls. Whenever you close off one avenue for a stalker, he will find another and it could easily be worse.
    Document everything. Even if you have decided not to go the legal route, you may change your mind. Keep answering machine tapes, letters, gifts, etc. Keep a log of drive-bys or any suspicious occurrences.

    Take a self-defense class. A lot of security experts don?t advise this, fearing that it gives victims a false sense of security, but we do. The best self-defense classes teach you how to become more aware of your surroundings and avoid confrontations, things that stalking victims would do well to learn.
    Have co-workers screen all calls and visitors.

    Don?t accept packages unless they were personally ordered.
    Remove any name or identification from reserved parking at work.
    Destroy discarded mail.

    Equip your gas tank with a locking gas cap that can be unlocked only from inside the car.

    Get a cell phone and keep it with you at all times, even inside your home, in case the stalker cuts your phone lines.

    If you think you are being followed while in your car, make four left- or right-hand turns in succession. If the car continues to follow you, drive to the nearest police station, never home or to a friend?s house.
    Never be afraid to sound your car horn to attract attention.

    Acquaint yourself with all-night stores and other public, highly populated places in your area.

    Consider moving if your case warrants it. No, it?s not fair, but nothing is fair about stalking. If you stay and fight through the legal system, you might get some justice, (although not necessarily your definition of it), but you almost certainly won?t get safety: There is no possibility of life imprisonment for stalkers. Research how to keep your destination secret. Stalking and victims? organizations can help.

    Don?t be embarrassed and think you caused this somehow.

    Stalkers need no encouragement. Your shame is your stalker?s best weapon. It makes you more likely to engage him or agree to plea bargains, which are bound to be taken as sympathy and we know where that leads.

    Instead, tell everyone you know that you?re being stalked, from neighbors to co-workers, so that when the stalker approaches them for information about you, they will be alerted not to divulge anything and will let you know he?s been around.

    One young widow moved to escape her stalker, a stranger she had never really met. Yet, after finding out where she moved, he was also able to pinpoint her exact location by showing her helpful neighbors pictures he had surreptitiously taken of her and her children, telling them that he was her estranged husband and she had kidnapped the kids.

    Join one of the stalking victims? support groups that are springing up all over the country.

    They can be invaluable resources for information in your community (such as how local law enforcement handle these cases) as well as provide essential support. See the resources section for organizations that can help. If there is no group in your area, start one. It only takes two. Tragically, we can guarantee you are not the only person being stalked in your area.

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    Restraining Orders

    Many stalking victims are routinely told to get restraining orders. When they do, they often assume that the stalking will finally end, either because the stalker will stop on his own, or because the police will stop him. Neither of these outcomes happens with any frequency.

    About a quarter of stalking victims obtain restraining orders; in two-thirds of these cases, the restraining order is violated. About half of all stalking cases are reported to the police; a quarter of these result in an arrest.

    Remember that a restraining order is just a piece of paper. It cannot protect you. In fact, the restraining order is just a tool police use to show intent by the perpetrator. Obviously, the police will not be there when the perpetrator violates. Only after.

    In many, many instances, restraining orders only make a bad situation worse. From the stalker?s point of view, restraining orders are humiliating; the victim has just announced to the world that she wants nothing to do with him: She has stepped-up the rejection. Because of this, many perpetrators feel they must step-up the pursuit. Or they just get mad and plan to get even. There have been far too many cases of stalking victims found murdered after they had obtained restraining orders; one victim?s estranged husband knifed the order to her chest.

    There are two types of stalkers that are most unlikely to respond to restraining orders: those former intimate-partner stalkers who are very invested in the relationship and delusional stalkers.

    Former intimate partner stalkers are less likely to adhere to a restraining order the more they have invested in the victim. For example, a man who was married to a woman for ten years and had three children with her, follows her around until she gets a restraining order. The same man, a year later, dates another woman a few times until she becomes concerned about how controlling he is and breaks it off. In which scenario will the same man be more likely to let go: In the former instance, in which he has ten years and three kids invested, or the latter in which he has only invested a few dates?

    Delusional stalkers, by definition, cannot be reasoned with. They just don?t get it and never will. A judge saying the same thing the victim did, "stay away," makes no difference. These types of stalkers have even been known to call their victims - collect from jail. Since in most cases the victim hardly knows the stalker, if at all, it might seem that these stalkers have nothing invested in the relationship. Remember, however, that in their minds, they have created an entire relationship with the power to completely transform their lonely lives. A piece of paper carrying some paltry penalty for a violation is hardly going to be a deterrent. A victim may assume that her stalker will respond to a restraining order the way she herself would. Such an assumption is, at best, terribly foolish; at worst, deadly.

    An erotomanic woman stalked a department store manager who had the misfortune of smiling in her direction. She was so relentless in her pursuit that he was eventually forced to leave the country.

    Here is what she wrote to the man she had never, in reality, met: "My dearest beloved?I cannot live without you. You are God of God and I depend upon your kindly help to save me from this hospital. Your high learning and important status are your two most admirable qualities. Your wise breeding will make a perfect lady out of me and in you is all I need to find security in my life." How can 30 days, 6 months, even a year in jail put a dent in these sentiments and their resulting pursuit?

    Does this mean that a stalking victim should not obtain a restraining order? No. It does mean, however, that a stalking victim should not obtain one routinely. Before a victim obtains a restraining order, she must research how these orders are enforced in her jurisdiction in similar cases. Seek out other stalking victims, through support groups, domestic violence programs, etc. and ask them.

    Find out if a restraining order violation is a misdemeanor (as it is in most jurisdictions) or a felony. If it is a misdemeanor, it is much less likely to be enforced. When is the last time you heard of someone being arrested for spitting, littering or loitering? The police will almost always tell you they will arrest. Find out if this means taking the stalker to jail or just giving him a citation.

    When a restraining order violation occurs and the police just go out and talk to the stalker or even give him a citation, they have just made the situation worse. The victim would have been far better off never obtaining such an order. What the police have done in this instance is given the stalker further proof that nothing will happen to him, that he can act with impunity. After all, what more can the victim do to him than call in the full weight of the legal system; first a judge to issue the order and a police officer to enforce it?

    Stalker Violence
    There are cases in which stalking lasts for years and years and never turns violent. Then, there are those cases that turn deadly quickly. How can you tell which cases will lead to murder?

    First of all, the cases that seem harmless, may, in fact, be the most deadly. An Australian singer was stalked by an erotomanic man who went to all her performances and even followed her to social events. When her friends expressed their concerns to the young woman, she told them he was simply sad and harmless. There was no warning before he finally did approach her in the street, fatally stabbing her. Weeks before, he had confided to his mother that he was going to marry the singer. What changed his plans from marriage to murder? A newspaper article reporting her engagement to a prominent local businessman. He felt humiliated at her "betrayal" and decided to "get even."

    Most stalking victims erroneously believe that if they have not been threatened, they are not in any danger. Here?s a question, then: If he really wanted to harm you, why would he warn you ahead of time? Conversely, think about the many, many times in your own life that you threatened someone and then didn?t follow through on the threat. Never happened? What about that **** who cut you off on the highway last week? Didn?t you threaten to ? well, never mind. The point is, study after study indicates that whether or not a stalker makes a threat has no bearing on whether or not he poses a threat. Of course, any threat should be taken seriously. But there are other indicators that cannot be ignored when assessing a stalker?s potential for violence.

    Additionally, it is a false belief that if a perpetrator has no history of violence, the likelihood of his becoming violent in the future is small. John Hinckley, Jr., Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Sarah Jane Moore, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan and John Wilkes Booth, never perpetrated an act of criminal violence on another person before the attacks that made them famous. That is also true of the most recent celebrity stalker-murderers, Robert Bardo, who killed Rebecca Schaefer, and Mark David Chapman, who killed John Lennon. While a past history of violence, therefore, is an important factor in increasing the risk of future violence, the absence of such a history is completely meaningless. After all, a history of violence is notably lacking before the first time anyone perpetrates a violent act.

    Factors which studies show seem to increase stalker propensity for violence are: stalking more than one victim, a past criminal history unrelated to stalking, substance abuse, access to and knowledge of weapons, high degree of obsession with the victim, great length of time stalking the victim, travelling a distance to be near the victim. Male sex is usually added to this list because, in general, men are more violent than women. However, a recent study found that, at least for former intimate partner stalkers, women stalkers were just as likely to become violent as their male counterparts.

    It is also important to understand that it is not only the victim who is in danger, but those surrounding the victim, particularly if the stalker perceives them to be in his way. Madonna?s stalker tried to kill her body guard because he was seen as an obstacle to the star. Peggy Lennon?s stalker (from the singing Lennon Sisters on the Lawrence Welk Show) hunted her father down and shot him to death, believing he was an obstacle to being with Peggy, whom he called, "my true wife."

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    I think the best way to deal with stalker's when
    restraining orders don't work is get a gun and
    blow there brains out nobody should have to live
    in fear of some crazy person.

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    Originally posted by home girl:
    I think the best way to deal with stalker's when
    restraining orders don't work is get a gun and
    blow there brains out nobody should have to live
    in fear of some crazy person.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nice Idea Janet but that only works in the Movies and TV Shows.... [img]graemlins/gulp.gif[/img]

    As a Paralegal, I can tell you that you will have to explain to the Police, Superior Court Judge, and the District Attorney the exact reasons for your actions...

    And if they don't fall within legally defined reasons, well you've got some major problems on your hands...

    The best thing to do is to follow the above advice and file a complaint if the stalker does'nt take a hint to leave you alone....

    Also taking some Martial Arts lessons would'nt hurt either ! [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

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    i have a huge fanbase and many many stalkers. so much so they ran off my last girlfriend. i don't know what advice to give cuz i'm actually dating one right now sadly.

    you guys should come check out my board sometime. it's like a masquerade ball though so you can't reveal your true identity until halloween. it's a lot of fun. be warned sanything goes on this board so it's not for the faint at heart.you will find various stories chronicling my problems with stalkers within. though it is not the main focus.

    My Board

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    It's one thing to be obssessed with the character portrayed by an entertainer. It's another thing totally to be some kind of freak face who turns their entire lives into some kind of delusional pursuit of some twisted fantasy. These people are beyond the need to get a life. [img]graemlins/handcuffs.gif[/img]

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    Another helpful hint.....

    Familiarize yourself with the location of the Police HQ in every town you frequent and/or where the Police go for their Meal Breaks, Coffee Breaks, and other gathering spots....


    That way if you are being followed in a car by a stalker, you should not panic and head straight for these spots...

    When you get there, start honking your horn or screaming your head off and that should handle that problem....

    STAY SAFE EVERYONE AND ENJOY YOUR LIVES !!!

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